that's the thing it is not surprising at all, how sad is that. For me it is both for money and to dis empower people, to continually attack anything natural that we have, birth, medicine, food we are fast becoming an unnatural people, so very far removed from everything that gives us strength. Women are so capable of birthing natural yet Obstetrics is the highest paid health professional in the world and don't get me started on the food we eat and the way we are being 'contained', well I should not say we as actually quiet a lot of us on here have opted out of all that, but so many others are caught in that trap and yes it starts at the very beginning with our babies whilst they are still in the womb. Cheer @flauwy