lol. how gracious of you to drop in with such an arrogant rebuttal, departing with the token "be well" positivity. hilarious.
quite even funnier that your headline is "Seeking knowledge, wanting to learn, trying to know" - yet you quickly dismiss what you fail to understand.
seems the obstacles in the way of receiving what you're after is your own quickness to judge and cut yourself off from what contradicts the very belief systems that have limited your perception of a broader spectrum of truths.
there is a difference between belief and consciousness. the distinction is a valuable key essential to what you're after.
either way, as they say, to each their own...
(And I confess, oddly perplexing that you've Resteemed this in spite of your response. lol.)
Unlike most people, I do not speak about issues where I am uninformed.
I have read extensively on both subjects due to an interest earlier in life. I understand exactly what I am putting down.
I only dismiss what I know to be garbage.
Astrology and Alchemy are nonsense gibberish that can say whatever the practitioner wants them to.
Medieval nonsense; next you will start claiming to be the only person in the world who truly understands the writings of Nostradamus, or, the hidden codes in the Christian Bible, or the Talmud. I have been through the gamut with you wishers and dreamers hoping that you will be the one to prove that Magic really exists.
And I am unimpressed.
None of it is provable or demonstrable, therefore none of it is science.
But, to explain the ReSteem, I do not hate. Go search for your dragon's egg, just don't expect me to jump on the bandwagon until it hatches.
And there was nothing token in my well wishes, I wish every person in the pursuit of knowledge a good journey and a safe life.
So, be well my friend, and have a safe journey.
Well sir, you certainly do live up to your psuedoname.
Nowhere in any of my writing was any implications or expectations that anyone shouldbelieve any of what has been shared. The same cannot be said for yourself.
Had your research been "extensive" enough to bring you to a thorough understanding of what you now dismiss as garbage, you might be in a very different position in life than trolling people trying to validate your own beliefs.
Just because you've failed to understand something - no matter how much effort you put in - does not make it "bullshit." Nor will any amount of viciousness ever serve to prove others are wrong in their understandings of what you failed to. (Or maybe you did figure everything out and with your newfound enlightenment, chose this rather ironic path.)
However, at least defining yourself as a "vicious runt" puts you in the driver's seat to prove yourself right on - at a minimum of - one thing. And that, you have.
A shame you had to resort to attacking me, instead of defending your position.
I get that a lot from people who espouse beliefs they themselves doubt.
Not much left to discuss at that point, just name calling and chest beating.
It is a common misconception among the weak minded that if I disagree with you I am attacking you or your beliefs. Nothing could be further from the truth. I gave my honest opinion in order to engage, and start a discussion, and you decided that rather than a conversation, you wanted a fight. I am here to discuss and learn, not pick fights with weak minded fools with nothing better to do than argue on the internet. I will not be responding to anything else you say, or post, and I will be ignoring your posts on Steemit. Live long and prosper.
Thanks for being brave enough to point out the emperor has no clothes. Maybe your approach caused offense but let's face it there is no tactic here that will convince those that want to believe baseless mysticism in spite of all the evidence that proves it is, well, baseless mysticism.
These people never consider that when they make a post like this it is actually equivalent to taking a massive dump in our yard. You know the yard of the people who brought them every modern convenience including the tools to make their calculations with ease, the tools to let them even see Pluto (strangely added to their mix after scientists discovered it) add the tools to let them spread their theories, never once proven, far and wide from the convenience of their desks. Thanks science!
There is a reason that no peer reviewed randomised controlled trial has ever proven astrology or any other "psychic art" actually works - it doesn't. There is never anything beyond selection bias, confirmation bias, and chance behind its assertions that it does. That has been demonstrated over and over again.
There's a saying "that which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof" and it so supplies here. The burden of proof is on those that claim the ridiculous without any. Otherwise I'd like you to disprove that Elvis isn't alive and well on the far side of the moon and the aren't fairies at the bottom of my garden only I can see.
With that in mind perhaps you could tell us more about "Planets, exerting distinct forces, vibrationally distinct" and "the culmination of the vibrational waves colliding at precise angles." What is the nature of these forces? How might be they be measured? What predictions that can be tested experimentally does your theory give us? What experiments and statistically valid, reproducible results have been done already? You claim a "part science" basis for your astrology so don't be surprised if science requires you to apply the scientific method to such claims. Otherwise, as @viciousrunt points out, they are just baseless claims.
While I disagree with you - and decline the invitation to exert any energy or time to argue - at the least, I respect how you've conducted yourself respectfully here.
A problem inherent in the "science IS God" cultural mindset which the two of you seem to be running is the presumption that mankind is at the pinnacle of evolution and if science hasn't figured everything out yet, it must not be true. It's a funny self-righteous God-complex, dismissing everything that doesn't conform to its own model for interacting with the world - despite the admission there is plenty more to explore that we don't yet know or understand.
Much of what science has "proven" to be true today, there did not exist the tools or methods to validate a few decades ago. But just because humans didn't figure out ways to "prove" it then did not mean it wasn't always true. Likewise, just because science hasn't figured things out yet doesn't mean there aren't truth to them now.
I was never arguing for a belief system, only presenting perspectives. Maybe astrology as you think of itis bogus. I make no absolute biased statements trying to box any of it into "true or false." It could be entirely "false" - yet, that's completely irrelevant to the points attempting to be made through this article, which is really about broadening perspectives.
Consider it a systematic framework. True/false aside, there's incredible amounts of wisdom to be developed through engagement in a structured framework that facilitates the practice of thinking in different ways - value to be extracted through observing and thinking in patterns, digging in deeper to understand the nature of cycles as they express through universal laws of physics.
You can completely dismiss the whole thing as quackery. And in your dismissal, you cut yourself off entirely from any lessons within the realm - which maybe had nothing to do with your original preconceptions of what the domain was.
I never posed any of it as anything resembling a belief to be defended against or propagated for others to accept blindly as truth without exploring for themselves, if it were an area of interest to them, to discover what within the subject might be of value to them. It was never a matter of having my view on the subject challenged which pushed my buttons - I could care less whether you or anyone else believes any of this to be "true" or "quackery," fully-well knowing there are alot of people who disregard it and don't care to engage deeply in the subjects to understand from unconventional angles. My buttons got pushed because @viciousrunt has chosen passive-aggressive manipulative rhetoric that is rather disgraceful - a pattern clearly transparent as he goes around calling others morons and offering not constructive criticism, but outright rudeness.
You, on the other hand, have some honorable decency and self-respect in the manner in which you disagree.
Let's reframe... you came over, took a shit on my lawn, proceeding to tell me how my yard stinks.
I have no need to defend "my position," because I was never posing any beliefs nor attempting to persuade anyone of anything.
If you want to start genuine conversations, opening by discrediting their work and insinuating they're a moron and fool - according to the frame you have constructed - is probably not the most effective way to begin.
And now, you get to bow out convinced of your own righteousness. No need to further defend, since you're obviously right.
Astrology gives people a kind of "insight" in their future, alchemy is a way to change led in gold, so "the material welfare", as we all are aware that chemistry and physics can realize this process "the magic is lost", this is not the case with astrology because it is still above our material "reality".
Nice post, thanks. I have come across some really good astrologers and numerologists as we. The type that when they interpret your sign or numerology, you feel a shiver or a real peace. Looking forward to your next post. ))
@rok-sivante I love this post. I am avidly enamored with astrology and alchemy. I have been practicing alchemy for years, and using astrology to help me to understand complex relationships. Upvoted, followed and on...to part 2. I just love how these topics continue to be "occulted" by the miserably ignore-ant. I don't see humanity leaving slavery in my lifetime.
Perhaps not totally - the slavery bit - nonetheless, we're all progressing at our own pace, coming to certain discoveries and ascending into higher states in our own times. Perhaps we'll all reach there eventually. And if not, that's fine too. The journey must carry on, irregardless of others' ignorance and attempts to pull others down... ✊
Absolute nonsense.
Not even well written.
If you believe this you are a fool, if you expect me to believe this, you are a fucking moron.
Be well.
lol. how gracious of you to drop in with such an arrogant rebuttal, departing with the token "be well" positivity. hilarious.
quite even funnier that your headline is "Seeking knowledge, wanting to learn, trying to know" - yet you quickly dismiss what you fail to understand.
seems the obstacles in the way of receiving what you're after is your own quickness to judge and cut yourself off from what contradicts the very belief systems that have limited your perception of a broader spectrum of truths.
there is a difference between belief and consciousness. the distinction is a valuable key essential to what you're after.
either way, as they say, to each their own...
(And I confess, oddly perplexing that you've Resteemed this in spite of your response. lol.)
Unlike most people, I do not speak about issues where I am uninformed.
I have read extensively on both subjects due to an interest earlier in life. I understand exactly what I am putting down.
I only dismiss what I know to be garbage.
Astrology and Alchemy are nonsense gibberish that can say whatever the practitioner wants them to.
Medieval nonsense; next you will start claiming to be the only person in the world who truly understands the writings of Nostradamus, or, the hidden codes in the Christian Bible, or the Talmud. I have been through the gamut with you wishers and dreamers hoping that you will be the one to prove that Magic really exists.
And I am unimpressed.
None of it is provable or demonstrable, therefore none of it is science.
But, to explain the ReSteem, I do not hate. Go search for your dragon's egg, just don't expect me to jump on the bandwagon until it hatches.
And there was nothing token in my well wishes, I wish every person in the pursuit of knowledge a good journey and a safe life.
So, be well my friend, and have a safe journey.
Well sir, you certainly do live up to your psuedoname.
Nowhere in any of my writing was any implications or expectations that anyone should believe any of what has been shared. The same cannot be said for yourself.
Had your research been "extensive" enough to bring you to a thorough understanding of what you now dismiss as garbage, you might be in a very different position in life than trolling people trying to validate your own beliefs.
Just because you've failed to understand something - no matter how much effort you put in - does not make it "bullshit." Nor will any amount of viciousness ever serve to prove others are wrong in their understandings of what you failed to. (Or maybe you did figure everything out and with your newfound enlightenment, chose this rather ironic path.)
However, at least defining yourself as a "vicious runt" puts you in the driver's seat to prove yourself right on - at a minimum of - one thing. And that, you have.
A shame you had to resort to attacking me, instead of defending your position.
I get that a lot from people who espouse beliefs they themselves doubt.
Not much left to discuss at that point, just name calling and chest beating.
It is a common misconception among the weak minded that if I disagree with you I am attacking you or your beliefs. Nothing could be further from the truth. I gave my honest opinion in order to engage, and start a discussion, and you decided that rather than a conversation, you wanted a fight. I am here to discuss and learn, not pick fights with weak minded fools with nothing better to do than argue on the internet. I will not be responding to anything else you say, or post, and I will be ignoring your posts on Steemit. Live long and prosper.
Thanks for being brave enough to point out the emperor has no clothes. Maybe your approach caused offense but let's face it there is no tactic here that will convince those that want to believe baseless mysticism in spite of all the evidence that proves it is, well, baseless mysticism.
These people never consider that when they make a post like this it is actually equivalent to taking a massive dump in our yard. You know the yard of the people who brought them every modern convenience including the tools to make their calculations with ease, the tools to let them even see Pluto (strangely added to their mix after scientists discovered it) add the tools to let them spread their theories, never once proven, far and wide from the convenience of their desks. Thanks science!
There is a reason that no peer reviewed randomised controlled trial has ever proven astrology or any other "psychic art" actually works - it doesn't. There is never anything beyond selection bias, confirmation bias, and chance behind its assertions that it does. That has been demonstrated over and over again.
There's a saying "that which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof" and it so supplies here. The burden of proof is on those that claim the ridiculous without any. Otherwise I'd like you to disprove that Elvis isn't alive and well on the far side of the moon and the aren't fairies at the bottom of my garden only I can see.
With that in mind perhaps you could tell us more about "Planets, exerting distinct forces, vibrationally distinct" and "the culmination of the vibrational waves colliding at precise angles." What is the nature of these forces? How might be they be measured? What predictions that can be tested experimentally does your theory give us? What experiments and statistically valid, reproducible results have been done already? You claim a "part science" basis for your astrology so don't be surprised if science requires you to apply the scientific method to such claims. Otherwise, as @viciousrunt points out, they are just baseless claims.
Yeah,...what he said!
While I disagree with you - and decline the invitation to exert any energy or time to argue - at the least, I respect how you've conducted yourself respectfully here.
A problem inherent in the "science IS God" cultural mindset which the two of you seem to be running is the presumption that mankind is at the pinnacle of evolution and if science hasn't figured everything out yet, it must not be true. It's a funny self-righteous God-complex, dismissing everything that doesn't conform to its own model for interacting with the world - despite the admission there is plenty more to explore that we don't yet know or understand.
Much of what science has "proven" to be true today, there did not exist the tools or methods to validate a few decades ago. But just because humans didn't figure out ways to "prove" it then did not mean it wasn't always true. Likewise, just because science hasn't figured things out yet doesn't mean there aren't truth to them now.
I was never arguing for a belief system, only presenting perspectives. Maybe astrology as you think of it is bogus. I make no absolute biased statements trying to box any of it into "true or false." It could be entirely "false" - yet, that's completely irrelevant to the points attempting to be made through this article, which is really about broadening perspectives.
Consider it a systematic framework. True/false aside, there's incredible amounts of wisdom to be developed through engagement in a structured framework that facilitates the practice of thinking in different ways - value to be extracted through observing and thinking in patterns, digging in deeper to understand the nature of cycles as they express through universal laws of physics.
You can completely dismiss the whole thing as quackery. And in your dismissal, you cut yourself off entirely from any lessons within the realm - which maybe had nothing to do with your original preconceptions of what the domain was.
I never posed any of it as anything resembling a belief to be defended against or propagated for others to accept blindly as truth without exploring for themselves, if it were an area of interest to them, to discover what within the subject might be of value to them. It was never a matter of having my view on the subject challenged which pushed my buttons - I could care less whether you or anyone else believes any of this to be "true" or "quackery," fully-well knowing there are alot of people who disregard it and don't care to engage deeply in the subjects to understand from unconventional angles. My buttons got pushed because @viciousrunt has chosen passive-aggressive manipulative rhetoric that is rather disgraceful - a pattern clearly transparent as he goes around calling others morons and offering not constructive criticism, but outright rudeness.
You, on the other hand, have some honorable decency and self-respect in the manner in which you disagree.
Let's reframe... you came over, took a shit on my lawn, proceeding to tell me how my yard stinks.
I have no need to defend "my position," because I was never posing any beliefs nor attempting to persuade anyone of anything.
If you want to start genuine conversations, opening by discrediting their work and insinuating they're a moron and fool - according to the frame you have constructed - is probably not the most effective way to begin.
And now, you get to bow out convinced of your own righteousness. No need to further defend, since you're obviously right.
✌
Astrology gives people a kind of "insight" in their future, alchemy is a way to change led in gold, so "the material welfare", as we all are aware that chemistry and physics can realize this process "the magic is lost", this is not the case with astrology because it is still above our material "reality".
I always visit your blog because you inspires me. Do what you do. Thank you very much for sharing inspiring content.
your welcome. and thank you for the feedback - it fuels the continuation of the work, and is greatly appreciated... 🙏
i love astrology and i really believe that the universe has many of the answers for us. hell we spend billions on it every year
If you like alchemy you should watch full metal alchemist !! I highly recommend you
any pointers as to where I can find & watch it? doesn't seem available on torrents, my usual source...
Upvoted and followed! :-)
Thanks for sharing! :-)
Post of the day.Congratulation bro.Go ahead.
nice post followed u
Nice post, thanks. I have come across some really good astrologers and numerologists as we. The type that when they interpret your sign or numerology, you feel a shiver or a real peace. Looking forward to your next post. ))
Part two here for ya:
https://steemit.com/astrology/@rok-sivante/the-alchemy-of-astrology-unveiling-the-soul-s-hidden-blueprint-part-two
;-)
@rok-sivante I love this post. I am avidly enamored with astrology and alchemy. I have been practicing alchemy for years, and using astrology to help me to understand complex relationships. Upvoted, followed and on...to part 2. I just love how these topics continue to be "occulted" by the miserably ignore-ant. I don't see humanity leaving slavery in my lifetime.
Perhaps not totally - the slavery bit - nonetheless, we're all progressing at our own pace, coming to certain discoveries and ascending into higher states in our own times. Perhaps we'll all reach there eventually. And if not, that's fine too. The journey must carry on, irregardless of others' ignorance and attempts to pull others down... ✊