Im glad you understand the framing difference in the term “adding value”. Calling people “consumers” in a casual way kind of weird me out too. Thanks for giving me a better way to frame what I call self-interest, I don’t want to imply that I think linertarians are necessarily selfish people and “mutually beneficial exchanges” is probably more fair to use and make sure it easier for everyone to relate than “selfish interests”.

I recognize a lot of my ideals as being a bit far removed from current society so I hope all of us can work together to flesh out a better future, one side focused on he highest ideals and the other focused on practical implementation and balance.

:-)