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RE: Mark Passio - Stop Being Immoral Trash - Quit Your Government Job
Mark has seen a lot of dark stuff and has grown angry about mankind. I still feel rather optimistic as I am one of the hundredth percent and within my reality bubble. I feel like more and more people come on our side. :)
I wish I was able to hold your level of optimism @flauwy. From my perspective all I see are people who respond in anger and who shutdown a conversation (and often the relationship entirely) the second freedom and its correlation with morality are brought up.
When you say people are coming to our side, are you referring to those you interact with in social circles focused on Anarchy and Cryptocurrency? I'd love to hear it's actually more people you meet randomly in daily life, because I could use that dose of optimism.
@flauwy makes a good point about Mark expressing his own anger - it's all over this 5 min clip. He's been immersed in dark stuff and this seems to be clouding his expression here - a judgement fest! In fact, if one were to take his stuff as a whole, I think a more optimistic image would emerge regarding the potential for human consciousness to rise above the heaviness. I agree with Flauwy that this is happening; although I don't see sides - for therein again lies conflict (sides = 'us' vs 'them'), and empowerment is essentially an individual process with internal dynamics; the external but a reflection of the internal. But there is no demonstrable proof of this, it is to be observed and experienced within one's own being. IMO!
@barge do you think judgement and anger are ever warranted?
Wowie @cahlen, thanks for considering me even capable of answering such a question :)
Warrented = justified, more or less, right?
Just my opinion 🔆
Thank you for your response @barge.
If someone was torturing the person you love most in this world while you were bound and forced to watch, would you still say judgement is not warranted?
Does imagining that situation change your answer about anger from a maybe to a yes?
In such a situation:
(1) there would have been stuff that went on before which brought about the situation, my own responsibility here (if any) has also to be considered
(2) I would likely be both angry and judgmental
But my anger and judgement would still be a function of conditioning and stress; an emotional response that reacts to but doesn't describe what is going on. Justified/warrented or not is not really the question IMO. In anger and judgement I see a twisted version of reality, I may miss something of what is going on that my help the situation. It doesn't serve, it doesn't enlighten, and to act from such a place can only further complicate the situation.
I can judge the torturers, curse them and call them cruel heartless bastards. This is a judgement based on what I have experienced and am experiencing. It doesn't take into account the reality of how the situation came about, what went into the making of these 'heartless' bastards - in the situation I wouldn't care about the torturer's backstory perhaps, yet it is a factor!
I can act of course I can (if I can. And if I can't that could be a further trigger for anger). Action doesn't have to be from a place of judgement and anger.
I wouldn't change my answers.
Do you believe in free will? In other words, are individuals responsible for their decisions or is it 100% a string of causes and effects in which nobody can be blamed for anything?
Speaking of 'strings', I have wondered if you are stringing me along and are going to pounce at some stage! However, I give us both the benefit of doubt and proceed with Trust and without blame :D. Here's what I consider to hold true:
Free Will seems at some level to be paramount, something that even God doesn't seem to want to mess with LOL. Sure there are the effects of causes that play out in the present, but we always have freewill choice available to us. Even sitting in that awful situation with my loved one being tortured - horrifying, yet I still have the choice of how to respond at different levels, and this cannot be taken away from me. How I respond in the present to every little event is my sole 'responsibility', mine alone and I am not responsible for anyone else (though I may delude myself that I am). But it is a massive responsibility and I am held accountable by the 'effects' of how I do this: I can react to and create further drama from the effects that I am experiencing of previous causes or I can neutralise them by not reacting with more drama. I can't change the past, but I can have a very big influence on (if not outright create) what is to come (positive/negative, violent/non-violent).
The choices I make are my responsibility alone. Unless I take that responsibility for myself, I will be doing something other than living my own life. Understanding my choices, my responsibility can provide insights into who/what/how I am.
Blame is a distraction from True Enquiry. Everything is intimately and intricately interconnected, a change in any part has an effect on the whole. Accountability is built into the system - balance.
I think Mark is definitely angry... He should meditate.
I thought he did meditate. He recommends it in his podcast at least.
Idk, he's wicked angry.