The Precarity of Anarchy: A Reason to Doubt

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I am fairly confident that it would be entirely possible to organize a society on a completely stateless basis. There are two models of "anarchism" that seem likely to work. The first, broadly speaking, is social anarchism which seeks to organize society locally on the basic of direct, participatory democracy. This model traces back to Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Mikhail Bakunin, and Peter Kropotkin, who held that local communes (or municipalities) could be organized on such a bases and confederated into larger regional or national networks for mutual aid and defense purposes. Decisions would ultimately be made locally, at the level of the autonomous commune/municipality, and delegates (not representatives) would be sent to councils at higher levels of the political order. The delegates would have no arbitrary power or decision-making authority: they would have an imperative mandate, being bound by the consensus of their constituents, and would be recallable. This approach has been utilized with some success by the Spanish Anarchists (CNT-FAI), Zapatistas (EZLN), and the people of Rojava (DFNS/YPJ/YPG). Social anarchist organizational principles and tactics have also been applied, to various extents, with some success, by movements such as Occupy Wall Street, Food Not Bombs, and Black Lives Matter.


The second model of anarchism is market-anarchism, which seeks to organize society on a voluntary basis by handing everything over to the market. The State would be replaced with a system of private law, with adjudication by private "courts" and enforcement by private "police". The viability of this model of governance is equally as well established as the social anarchist alternative. There have been systems of private law, like the Brehon Code in medieval Ireland or that of the medieval Icelandic Commonwealth; there have also been private police and security services, like the Pinkertons or the V.I.P.E.R.S. in Detroit, and such private police are the predominant form of security/policing in certain places like South Africa; and examples of private militias and private arbitration services for contract dispute resolution are abundant.

No case against anarchism can rest upon the claim that it cannot, or does not, work. As a model of governance, both types of anarchism have been thoroughly proven to work. The question is whether or not, in practice, they are actually preferable to all non-anarchistic alternatives. And this is where I think there is room for doubt.

It is entirely possible to create a stateless society. However, I am extremely pessimistic about the likelihood that a stateless social order would actually be preferable to conventional social democracy or something like ordoliberalism. I doubt that anarchistic systems would be able to provide quality universal healthcare or adequate welfare measures, and so I would rather live in a less-than-perfect social democracy over a stateless society without the same assurances. In my estimation, what makes a society just is that it minimizes suffering. One society is more just than another to the extent that it has a system that reduces overall suffering more than the other society in question does. To minimize human suffering, poverty ought to be eliminated. Furthermore, everyone ought to be guaranteed access to the basic necessities, like healthcare, shelter, food, and clothing. Thus, a country like Norway, with its social democratic model that provides universal healthcare and decent welfare programs, is more just than the United States to the extent that it reduces and, to some extent, tends to minimize the overall suffering of its citizens, whereas the United States has an approach to healthcare and welfare that tends to increase suffering. It is, theoretically, possible to create an anarchistic system that is analogous to social democracy, where people are provided with universal healthcare free at the point of service and supplied with a basic income sufficient for survival. Elsewhere I have demonstrated that such a thing could, theoretically, be achieved on either a communalist anarchist or an "anarcho-capitalist" basis. (Cf. On Anarchist Social Democracy: Taxation, Welfare, and Anarchy) The problem is that it is extremely improbable for that to occur.

With social anarchism, people would have to reach consensus to implement any system of redistribution or welfare policy. The real problem with this sort of anarchism, in my estimation, is establishing consensus. Land value tax, universal basic income, universal free healthcare, cap and trade and other such policies are really in the best interest of everyone. Out of ignorance or greed, most people wouldn't consent to such policies. Too many people are conservative. When good social democratic policies are passed, they are passed through the mechanism of representative democracy. Representatives are elected by the people. In parliament or congress, they hear the arguments pro and con for various proposals. And the representatives are trusted to vote in the best interest of the people. Having never heard the arguments for land value tax, the average person is likely to oppose it. But a representative is somewhat more likely to embrace such a proposal after sitting and listening to the arguments for it. A system of loosely confederated municipal democratic assemblies is not likely to reach consensus to pass any of the sorts of policies that I believe would actually maximize human well-being. Furthermore, I do not think that general consensus to embrace a communist analogue to my ideal system would be able to be reached either. While an anarchist society would be formally voluntaristic, it's members would likely be worse off than they would be under a social democratic government. An "anarcho-capitalist" system would be worse. With such a system, the creation of an analogue to social democracy would be entirely dependent upon the altruism of wealthy individuals.

The problem of reaching consensus will be exacerbated by dogmatism on the part of anarchists. Anarchists tend to fall into narrow camps. There are communist anarchists, geo-mutualists, and neo-mutualists, each with their own conception of how the problem of property can be resolved. The communists will demand communal-ownership of land and the abolition of markets and money, while the mutualists will demand free markets with competing currencies and usufructuary property, and geo-mutualists will tack on the Georgist idea of communal-ownership of land with ground-rent charged for private use. Some anarchists will support democratic confederalism, either with majoritarian direct democracy or with consensus-based democracy, while others will dogmatically demand total individual autonomy and free association. Then there are "anarcho-capitalists"—and I realize that anarcho-capitalists are not real anarchists in the classical sense, but they are people who do exist and with whom social anarchists would have to come to some sort of agreement. Communist anarchists identify allodial and fee-simple property as being theft, hence fundamentally aggressive and incompatible with a just society. The anarcho-capitalists regard communal-ownership as illegitimate, coercive, and incompatible with liberty. And adherents of the multitude of non-anarchist philosophies, like republicanism, social democracy, Georgism, conservatism, liberalism, et al. can hardly be expected to reject their philosophies in favor of anarchism simply because the revolution has taken place. The ideal is that anarchism would let all of these different models flourish simultaneously alongside one another on a voluntary basis, but the actual result will likely be that social democratic, Georgist, and republican models are prevented from being tried on a voluntary basis. Furthermore, the purist anarchists, who somewhat depart from classical anarchist thinkers like Kropotkin, wish to have pure free association, so that anyone can just opt out, but you can't realistically opt out of society, and I don't think anyone really has the right to do so. “Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government,” but it is better than certain anarchist proposals which think we can do away with both markets and democracy and just get along with totally free associations.

What remains to be demonstrated by any anarchist experiment is that anarchy can produce stability and security for its citizens, ensure access to basic amenities, and produce a society with less overall suffering than various "statist" societies have. Personally, I think the prospects of abolishing poverty and wage-slavery through implementing a universal basic income funded by land value tax within the framework of existing republican systems is more promising than stateless dreams of utopia. Given the choice, most people would support policies and practices that actually harm them personally (this is why there are so many people that consistently vote for Republicans and Tories). Given power to make their own decisions, people would likely make the wrong decision. The general populace is usually uninformed about the finer points of economics and policy, and is, therefore, not in a position to make an informed decision. I think people would generally be happier under social democracy with land value tax and basic income, even if that isn’t the form of society that they would voluntarily choose if given the choice. Hence, libertarian social democracy with a republican system is preferable to anarchism, in my estimation.

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So much to take in. I'm only vaguely familiar with anarchist ideas, but have been meeting more & more people lately who think about it deeply. I appreciated your critical look at all sides.

One simplistic way I like look at things is there are two types of people:

  1. Truly free individuals who engage in the struggle for self-mastery (peace, justice, wisdom, etc...)
  2. Those who seek masters to govern them instead of governing themselves.

To be truly free requires a ton of work. It also requires a shift in consciousness. Most people aren't up for it or even remotely interested in it. A truly stateless system depends on this highly unlikely event.

So we're left with 99.9% of people who prefer to be governed over. They tend to form tribes.

The challenge is that the world has people from both groups. So ideally a system can support those who seek freedom alongside those who really don't care all that much, but would enjoy the benefits nonetheless.

... I guess much of what your saying picks up from there until you reach "libertarian social democracy with a republican system". Now I need to study and unpack what exactly that means. :)

Thank you for getting me started!

You should look into liquid democracy or delegative democracy....its basically direct and participatory in principle, but people who don't want to participate can delegate their vote to someone else, a delegate, who acts kind of like a representative(but not exactly).

"Libertarian social democracy with a republican system"... Let's unpack that.

Republican simply means "representative democracy"

Libertarian, as I use the term, means left-libertarian or classical libertarian, harking back to libertarian socialism which sought communal-ownership of land and the abolition of wage-slavery. I call my model libertarian social democracy insofar as it involves abolishing wage-slavery through making land publicly-owned (in principle, at least) by instituting a land value tax (or ground-rent) and distributing the revenue evenly amongst the citizens as a universal basic income.

Social democracy just designates a democratic society, with a market system, but that uses taxation in order to fund welfare programs that alleviate the injustices that naturally arise under laissez-faire.

Thank you for the explanation and compass. 😀 I'm clipping this into my notebook to refer back to.

Look forward to reading your future (and past) posts!

I totally agree that it would be impossible to enact anarchy without forcing all others with differing political philosophies to accept it. This act of force in itself breaks core anarchist principles of liberty and autonomy of the individual.

I disagree that the measure of a just and therefore better society is in the amount of suffering. Suffering can be an extremely subjective term. If we are talking purely bodily suffering, then the most just society would control everyone's diet, lifestyle, and remove human autonomy for the sake of the greater good. If we are speaking of emotional and psychological suffering as well, then we are in a very subjective realm of the human psyche, and all objective measures become near impossible.

I also think by reducing infant death, extending life spans, and removing subsistence lifestyles, we create global problems of over population and environmental destruction. The mechanisms that are often meant to reduce suffering, end up creating more in unpredictable ways. I don't think there has been a time in modern society where we aren't dealing with incredible suffering from things that were meant to reduce it just decades ago. In 30-60 years I'm certain we'll be dealing with a terrible aftermath of many of our industrial methods and medical procedures. But I digress.

To me, the measure of a just society is in the autonomy of the individual, in so far as another individual's autonomy is not put in jeopardy by the will of the other. This is something that is easier to measure objectively. I think when free, communities can work what suffering and happiness means to themselves, and create ways to achieve that.

With that said, I am only a humble minnow, in life and on Steem. I really enjoy your writing and the wealth of knowledge you are sharing freely here. These are only my thoughts, and I'm sure there are those much more educated than I that can debunk every word. Cheers!

The flipside of negative liberty (autonomy) is positive liberty. You are not free if you happen to be too poor to exercise your liberty. Under pure free markets, the masses have starvation wages and miserable working conditions. It is government regulations that made "laissez-faire" bearable by mandating minimum safety requirements, minimum wages, and certain rules against air pollution. America would be a hell-hole without OSHA and the EPA. Infringements upon negative liberty are sometimes necessary to ensure a bit of positive liberty. You aren't free to go for a jog if you have to work 20 hours a day or if smog makes it unsafe to breath outside without a mask. I would contend, also, that liberty/autonomy is just as subjective.

Suffering can be measured though. There are metrics for measuring human happiness. You can ask people on censuses. You can look at the rates of depression and addiction in various countries. According to all the metrics, people are happier under social democracy than under more laissez-faire systems. (Cf. World Happiness Report)

As for the overpopulation stuff, that's just Malthusian fear-mongering. Don't let them trick you. The world is nowhere near overpopulated. Most of the world's land is neither occupied nor used for agriculture. Cities are overpopulated. Why? Because we have a system of wage-slavery so people have to flock to where the jobs are. If we abolished wage-slavery by adopting a universal basic income, funded via land value tax, people would no longer have to flock to where the best-paying jobs are. People would spread out more and live in smaller communities. Also, it would stimullate technological and scientific progress, so we might even be able to reach the singularity and enter into a transhumanist era. In which case it may be feasible to break free from this planet and establish an interstellar civilization.

I agree that free markets limit individual liberty. Because of the nature of the corporation and hiarchies inherent in production based society, those at the top have greater liberty than those at the bottom. But this itself is a violation of using your will to impede another’s. I think our entire society is structured poorly, and I wouldn’t advocate for the removal of government or its regulatory bodies in our current culture and context. I believe the best way forward is through heavy regulation on corporations. In fact, I think corporate personhood should be revoked. Worker owned businesses should replace the modern corporation and slowly corporate power reduced to nothing. Once the corporation has been dissolved, I think we can then discuss the necessity of centralized and violent government.

The population issue is not a myth or scare. I did the math on one of my posts a while back. As it stands, we are perfectly ok, and can double in population if we replace animal meats with insects or hemp. But this is not what I’m especially concerned about. High population densities create epidemics and degrade the environment. Even rural America can have populations too high for sustainability without proper care for the land and respect for nature.

I think technology will lean towards creating a dystopian future, rather than a utopia. I tend to think it’s likely humanity will be wiped out before we can colonize other planets. But that’s all guess work.

I can see, overall, we envision a similar future of decentralized populations that can live freeely and happily without cohersion or force. I’m going on somewhat of a vision quest to imagine/invent an ideal society and work my way backwards of how we can get there from here. I believe this to be a healthy practice for any individual. Thanks for your insight and reply.

I wish more people would realize this: "But this itself is a violation of using your will to impede another’s."

There's also so much food waste. If society becomes more equal, society becomes less consumeristic, and society becomes less wasteful, farmers are rewarded better for their labor, small housing take root (rather than the urban sprawl of giant lawns and giant houses), etc, we could allow many more people to live comfortably. Still, there is a limit.

Interestingly, people do tend to give birth to fewer children if they get out of poverty, and after they go through advanced education.

I'm starting to feel like I'm stalking you. Been reading your resteems today and thoroughly enjoying them. The world of quality Steemit content just opened wide.

Lol! No worries. That’s how you find good writers and community on Steemit, stalk people that are interesting and find people even more interesting. Glad I can be of service 👍🏼

Two years ago I would have loved this post :)

The society will always be a reflection of its people. The question is only to which extend the people can express themselves and how easy it is for individuals to get influence. A police state is the one extreme and anarchy is the other. As you state it may not be clear where on this spectrum maximum life standard is reached. We just need to experiment more (but please not again with police states I think we know them quite well by now).

If something that you like can be decided in a democracy (e.g. health care), why would you not be able to organise it in anarchy?
For new ideas anarchy is actually far superior to democracy as you can easily test proposals that have a committed 20% of the population behind them. If they work out the conservative 80% will follow. If the dont it just depends on how stubborn the 20% are :)

There are certain policies that are only beneficial if they are applied universally within a community. E.g. Obamacare in America only makes insurance more affordable if the individual mandate is included (if people can opt out of getting insurance, costs rise). Land value tax only prevents gentrification and land speculation if it cannot be opted out of. Basic income too must be universal, otherwise it doesn't eliminate poverty and wage-slavery within a community. If only 20% of the populace supports universal healthcare, then it will only be funded by that 20% and likely won't be feasible to make free healthcare available to the rest of the community. That's the problem in America, healthcare is universally available on the condition that you voluntarily pay for insurance/services, so most people opt out of insurance but then can't afford healthcare when they do need it. Obamacare was beginning of a solution, but left much to be desired. Direct democracy in America is unlikely to ever vote for a tax increase, so they will never support cap and trade, raising taxes on the wealthy, or land value tax, even though it is in the best interest of the American people to do so. Representatives tend to be more educated on policy proposals and the reasoning behind them, so progressive taxation and cap and trade have been passed through representative democracy. While the American system is currently not working, the Nordic countries demonstrate that republican institutions can work for the people.

Of course there are policies that work only or better when everyone is participating.
Heath care has the problem that denying it may be morally questionable.
Retirement funds have the problem that when you want to reap their benefits you have no more power over the company that is supposed to pay them. Plus the individual risk is huge and there is no way to plan how much you will need.

On the other hand before imposing something on the whole humanity you better have clear arguments and make sure that the restriction of freedom is nesescary and that what you want is precise. For healthcare I dont see this at all. You must decide the question which people will be saved and which are left to die since treatment is to expensive. That is a tough choice. Instead I prefer maybe suboptimal but voluntarist approaches to these problems, considering that I do not trust humanity to answer such questions, without exploiting the position of power that the deciders obtain.

Lets consider we have 1% rich and 99% poor. Now the poor establish a system of insuring each other against certain risks and the rich opt out. If the poor have the ability to organise that gives them tremendous power over the 1% which depend on the 99% as a market and as workers. In that way they can effectively "tax" them in a fully voluntarist way. In the past these technologies were not available yet making large scale trustless organisation impossible. But now we can do it.

I also find your argument on representative democracy questionable. You agree that it does not reflect the view of the population, but state that the representatives are making better choices for the people. I think the opposite is true. The representatives are weak points for corruption. In addition politicians tend to be a very biased sample of the population. Now maybe they are more likely to implement changes you like, but they are less likely to implement changes I like. How do we solve that problem?

On land and resource distribution the most common anarchist notion of claiming what you see is much weaker than on owning your labour. I think it can be argued who is the aggressor in such a case, and I think it is compatible with anarchism to divide the resources of the world g theyven that they are not rooted in human labour.

This also brings us to universal income. You dont own the labour of others, so any universal income should be derived from natural resources. This also means that there is no one deciding on the amount. In the past when work was the most dominant source of wealth, there is no way to introduce a workable basic income. Life is hard, you either work or starve. When the amount of food is scarce a universal basic income cannot magically make more food appear.
But in the future, when robots have replaced most of human labour, the dominant source of wealth is the exploitation of natural resources. Distributing these will let everyone participate without the requirement to work. In that case you dont need to work anymore when your share of the world, combined with modern technologies, can support your lifestyle. When collecting basic income you are not taking money from others that are nice to you, you simply deserve that money. Again, no need for anyone to decide when this will happen, it is just a function of human development and I think we are much closer to this point than we expect.

I like most of what you otherwise said though! :)

We're finally at a point where there's abundance of food and resources for everyone, just that our distribution mechanism, culture, and economic system are so faulty that people would rather poison and throw away food rather than feeding them to the hungry. At this point, something like universal basic income is finally something that could feasibly empower everyone and cover the cost of everyone's basic needs.

I think what you two are mostly pointing towards is how to go from the current system to a better one. I agree that most wealth currently is distributed extremely unfair and that the people benefitting from the corrupt system will not hand it over without a fight. That is a problem i honestly have no answer to. I hope that we can disrupt their power using new decentralised technologies. Also resource distribution is a leading cause for wars around the world and improvements are direly needed.

Where I disagree is that once you are in a hypothetical anarchist society, that people that accumulate wealth could exploit it. The solution to voluntary slavery is self-employement. Currently this is made difficult due to unnecessary entry barriers. But we see the rise of a peer-to-peer economy and I think there is nothing rich people could do short of trying to establish a police state.
Also we are not as free to leave our states. Yes, we can travel but getting another citizenship is a matter of 5+ years and requires me to move and leave my home. That is a quite high barrier that makes competion between states an almost non-issue. States may compete for the top 1%, but not for the rest and that is part of the reason why they suffer. Unless the sate is so bad that there is a large scale migration, they are fine in doing whatever they want.

A few years ago I used to hold to more traditional market-anarchist views, but I realized that the current distribution of wealth was unjust; the current distribution of wealth is the product of government subsidizing certain persons and groups at the expense of others. I realized that others were kept from freely competing and thriving because of restrictive government policies. This meant, in my estimation, that we would need something like distributism in order to get us to a point where the means of production is no longer unjustly concentrated into the hands of the few. I proposed distributism as a way to transition towards voluntaryism, and voluntaryism as a transition to market-anarchism. I think you might, perhaps, find my idea of anarcho-distributism more interesting. (Cf. An Intro to Anarcho-Distribuism)

Taiwan is an important example that kind of demonstrates the basic principle that underlies the idea of anarcho-distributism. In Taiwan, they adopted distributist policies, such as "land to the tiller," and then allowed a free market to follow. When General Douglas MacArthur, a distributist, got control of Taiwan, he implemented distributist policies that laid the foundation for a truly free market to function. Later on, free-market economists like Milton Friedman would praise Taiwan as an example of the success of free markets, without even realizing the distributist foundation that built those markets. It was the "land to the tiller" program that made free trade so successful in Taiwan.

Taiwan's situation mentioned by @ekklesiagora was interesting:

Taiwan’s land reform was a bloodless revolution ending the unfair distribution of land and significantly reducing the gap between the rich and the poor.
After Taiwan’s retrocession to the Republic of China from Japan in 1945, over 50 percent of the island’s population was farmers, of whom 70 percent were tenants. After a half century of colonial rule, the Japanese land-rental system still applied. The average share of the harvest that tenants had to turn over to the landowner exceeded 50 percent, sometimes going as high as 70 percent.
Furthermore, some were “iron leases” requiring a fixed crop quantity, regardless of land conditions or natural disasters. Tenants toiled all year round just to give most of their harvest to the landlord. To make things worse, leases were usually oral. When conflicts arose, there were no written documents to refer to, and landlords, given their higher social status, usually won out. The system represented blatant socioeconomic inequality.
The final goal of Taiwan’s land reform was to make all farmers the owners of their own fields. The reform proceeded in four stages: (1) leasing government-owned land to tenants; (2) 37.5 percent shares on privately-owned farmland; (3) the sale of public land to farmers; and (4) the land-to-the-tiller program.
Beginning in 1946, to begin balancing land supply and demand, state-owned farmland was leased to farmers for 25 percent of the crop. Furthermore, in 1949, shares were reduced to 37.5 percent on privately-owned farmland, based on average harvest quantities for the previous two years.
The figure of 37.5 percent was arrived at by assuming that the working capital provided by a farmer was equivalent to 25 percent of total production. The remaining 75 percent of the crop was divided into two equal parts, one for the landlord and the other for the farmer.
In 1949, Chen Cheng, then chairman of the Taiwan Provincial Government, pointed out to a reporter that farmers, who made up a large percentage of the total population, work harder than anyone else, but they sometimes could not even fill their stomachs. “The motivation behind the 37.5-percent rent is to eliminate such unfair conditions,” he emphasized.
Under the new arrangements, crop yields increased as tenants were willing to invest more money in agricultural equipment and improved farming methods. According to Ministry of the Interior statistics, in 1948, before the rent reduction, total rice production was 1.037 million metric tons. Following the change in 1949, the rice output rose to 1.172 million metric tons, and jumped to 1.517 million metric tons in 1952, a 46 percent rise in four years.

https://taiwantoday.tw/news.php?unit=10,23,45,10&post=15716

Clearly we have to solve the issue of land and resource distribution. I think that our concepts of ownership have to be questioned in this regard.
Any distribution of resources that is not uniform will be questioned by those that dont get their share. As a consequence every human born should receive a part and that is not compatible with private ownership. In the past the solution of this problem would have required authority and a state. But I think that we can finally solve the problem without a middle man using distributed organisations and the blockchain.

The blockchain is quite a transformative technology. It's the dawn of a new world with new possibilities. :)

Yeah. I do think that we might ideally have a more and more anarchistic society in the future. The various anarchistic solutions just need to someday be tested until they're proven, as we change our culture to something that's not as exploitative. I mean, at some point, if genuinely good rules become accepted as the norms maybe laws could become voluntary cultural practices observed by everyone, while the bad rules/laws are not needed by anyone. :)

Capitalists and land-owners will hoard all the wealth and leave the rest of us to starve, if we allow them to. They will hire private police and private militias to protect their resources. The resources (or the wealth that it generates) will have to be forcibly taken from them and the wealth generated redistributed amongst the people. That can be done by the State, which might be able to leverage its superior power so as to convince them to hand it over without a fight, or it can be done by people organizing directly, grass-roots style, and using violence to take those resources. The latter is more libertarian, sure, but also more violent and will cause more suffering and distress. The former solution actually seems better, especially since the State doesn't have to do it all at once, it can gradually take more and more by increasing taxes slowly over time, making it possible to take over those resources over time, maybe over the course of several generations, without the private owners even realizing what is happening or, at least, without shocking the private owners into rebellion.

In regards to your following response to @ekklesiagora: "Lets consider we have 1% rich and 99% poor. Now the poor establish a system of insuring each other against certain risks and the rich opt out. If the poor have the ability to organise that gives them tremendous power over the 1% which depend on the 99% as a market and as workers. In that way they can effectively "tax" them in a fully voluntarist way. In the past these technologies were not available yet making large scale trustless organisation impossible. But now we can do it."

I'm not sure if allowing anyone/any arbitrary group to control the survival necessities on earth and having them say that "If you work for me for free, I'll give you some moldy bread and a tiny cave to survive with", could be considered a fully voluntary arrangement. That's what I believe will happen without any form of control which is why many libertarians ended up becoming geolibertarians.

That would be a new form of feudal government w/ voluntary slave labors that have no better choice but to be exploited, in an extremely inequal exchange of labor vs rewards just so they could barely survive.

I mean, anyone is free to leave the countries they live in as of now. The land is owned by the state, as much as it could be owned by a group of any individuals. Therefore, if land ownership is the only thing that matters in how its owner treats people that is there, we could even claim taxation is just as long as they're enshrined in the laws of the land. Marie Byrd Land and Bir Tawil Triangle are both unclaimed territories that anyone can go to if they want. That doesn't mean people could easily leave and live in those locations, and there are only so many people that can live in those places.

I think a lot of the disagreement stems from the consequentialist right Libertarians beliefs that it is impossible for a natural monopoly to arise in a way that horizontal restraint becomes ineffective. As far as deontological libertarians, they are libertarians that care more about their ideology than the terrible consequence of their beliefs, even if mankind will go extinct because of it. So, words about consequences might be meaningless with them.

My position personally aligns better with the geolibertarians even if not perfectly so. I think their argument is much less flawed and more thorough, while their proposal is just better in general consequences for every individual. Here are a few interesting quotes from "Are you a Real Libertarian, or a ROYAL Libertarian?":

"A favorite excuse of royal libertarians is that the land has been divided up for so long that tracing the rightful owners would be pointless. But there can be no rightful owners if we all have an inalienable right of access to the earth. It is not some ancient injustice we seek to rectify, but an ongoing injustice. The piece of paper granting title might be ancient, but the tribute levied on the landless goes on and on."
"One might as well have accepted monarchy under the excuse that whatever conquest led to monarchy occurred centuries ago, and that tracing the rightful monarchs would be pointless. Indeed, landed aristocracy is the last remnant of monarchy." ~ Albert J. Nock, Our Enemy the State
"We are libertarians who make the classical liberal distinction between land, labor and capital. We believe in the private possession of land without interference from the state, but in the community collection of land rent to prevent monopolization of land."
"A right of property in movable things is admitted before the establishment of government. A separate property in lands not till after that establishment.... He who plants a field keeps possession of it till he has gathered the produce, after which one has as good a right as another to occupy it. Government must be established and laws provided, before lands can be separately appropriated and their owner protected in his possession. Till then the property is in the body of the nation." ~ Thomas Jefferson
"...if the fruits rotted, or the venison putrified, before he could spend it, he offended against the common law of nature, and was liable to be punished; he invaded his neighbour's share, for he had no right, farther than his use called for any of them, and they might serve to afford him conveniences of life." ~ John Locke
"The same measures governed the possession of land too: whatsoever he tilled and reaped, laid up and made use of, before it spoiled, that was his peculiar right; whatsoever he enclosed, and could feed, and make use of, the cattle and product was also his. But if either the grass of his enclosure rotted on the ground, or the fruit of his planting perished without gathering, and laying up, this part of the earth, notwithstanding his enclosure, was still to be looked on as waste, and might be the possession of any other." ~ John Locke
"AFTER conquest and confiscation have been effected, and the State set up, its first concern is with the land.... In its capacity as ultimate landlord, the State distributes the land among its beneficiaries on its own terms." ~ --Albert J. Nock, Our Enemy the State

A lot of the older market anarchist thinkers don't spend much time describing in detail what their anarchist society would look like.

I don't know how much that is actually true. I mean, when I think of classical market-anarchism, I think of Josiah Warren, Gustave de Molinari, Benjamin Tucker, and Lysander Spooner, and all of them spent time addressing how to organize a stateless society and what such a society would look like.

It may sound strange but that is part of the point. No single person is smart enough to design a system that has no exploitable weak points. So we can think about what would happen, but we are most likely wrong. In order to understand how anarchism works out given modern day technologies we have to try it and see what innovations people find.

Very nice post! I love the idea of anarchism. But as you, I think it is a hard to reach utopia (still I want to keep the ideas alive). I think a basic income and the end of the war on drugs would be some realistic steps for the future.

I was reading Mutual Aid by Kropotkin and also The Ego And It's Own by Max Stirner. Two very inspiring books with very different perspectives on anarchism.

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But he never gave me a reason to ever doubt Him Give me one reason to doubt He is Messiah Give me one reason to doubt He is alive.

You have well-explained both models (social and market anarchism) of Anarchism in a very compact manner that everyone can understand easily in no time. Thumbs Up! :)

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