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RE: (Reward Pool Rape)...The curious case of the errant comma.. @haejin @berniesanders
I agree, the whole issue seems very suspect to me.. I doubt he is the politician mentioned in the article. It does seem rather scandalous though, and I agree that he should of just commented instead of down voting. But having read the majority of his profanity ridden tyrades I'm not sure how constructive that would of been either..
One can only hope but you're probably right.
I'm certain he's not the real bernie sanders that's a given. With what time I've spent reading around, my observation is that he doesn't post frequently and has an army of upvote bots and might even have the capital to have a promotion budget to pay for other upvote bots.
While I understand it's not necessary to reveal your identity or post without a picture of yourself holding a steemit sign with the days date, I wonder how he gets so much support.
He claims to be "the good whale" but he's not whale status so I almost assume he has a whale account somewhere.
If I ever wanted to find the toxicity within Steemit, this guy is sure to lead the way it seems.
All while giving away $300.
Claiming to be the good guy as he curses and flags anyone who talks about him. I guess I'm screwed XD Might as well uninstall steemit now.
I'm not sure if you're being funny again or just being a friend.
It's decentralized, you can't uninstall it :)
I was being funny when I suggested I uninstall steemit :P I know it's decentralized. Sorry if it confused you, I shouldn't really be trying to joke I am no good at them. Mostly really corny Dad jokes.
no confusion, but it was a little funny hence my respond. I'm going to rest now, don't be afraid to post to funny, even if you don't get good respond others will support you, keep experimenting and adjusting. we were all beginners at one point in time, everyone.
Have a good rest my friend, and thanks again! There is always at least one person that will appreciate a thought. That's one thing I've learned about this platform.
He's been around from the beginning of the platform, has a lot of time, energy and capital invested in it.
While he can be hot headed and at times seemingly mean, people who have got to know him get that he has the good of the platform at heart even when his delivery could be a whole lot better.
He's also quietly supported a lot of good work on the platform.
Meanwhile haejin and his supporters seem to be only interested in being self-serving leeches on the platform. They would be a lot better off to actually become part of the community instead of their current approach.
From my observations of the various posts I've seen on the matter the more vocal ones want to worship at the feet of their saviour and the only thing that counts is making money. And god help anyone who still thinks this is a social media platform.
I saw in one of haejin's rare comments that he's thinking about going private and taking his followers with him. That actually might be the best outcome for both sides of this issue for both haejin's future and the future of the platform.
The platform isn't going to be a good fit for everyone and everyone is not a good fit for the platform. That is to be expected.
Valid points, but if perhaps say 1% of is 6000 followers by steem then I don't see it as a bad thing. I have taken the time to view the accounts of a few haijin followers and a few have purchased $2500 or more in steem thus investing themselves in the platform. Also I think with that large of a following that there will inevitably be a trickle down affect as his followers will eventually peruse other articles or use their lust for money to write and attempt to profit from a few of their own articles thus benefiting the platform through content. Likewise if I compare the content posted by haijin to the bullshit you find in the NSFW category, I'm kinda having a hard time seeing how this:
Is a good fit for the platform
Whereas some dude giving crypto advice is not..
I can't disagree with you on the NSFW. I don't agree with its presence but the tag was a compromise after a rather long debate over porn on the platform. Many argued against it even being here and others argued that if this is a censorship free platform it has the right to be here. The compromise was that it had to be within the tag or be subject to being flagged heavily. Then the option to be able to mute anything posted with the NSFW tag showed up in our settings for those who didn't want to encounter it.
I would hope that those who followed haejin here would actually be part of the community and treat it like a community.
My remarks are based on the many many comments I've seen from his followers who are quite plain they have zero interest in being part of the community yet are outraged that the community objects to such a large amount of their funds being diverted to their hero.
If they want to support him and only him, then they need to do it from their own pockets and not the rest of the community. They are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Their myopic attitudes is likely one of the many reasons that bernie is downvoting some of them.
@pathtosuccess thanks for the response. Based on his most recent give away, I couldn't take him as a totally bad guy if he's giving away money, but the hostility and toxicity is still too much.
I mean, look how he treated the author earlier in the month. I can see your argument that he is here for the greater good and has been here since the beginning.
I've been in the crypto scene since 2013. I'm no andreas antonopoulos but can you imagine if Andreas showed the same hostility? Seniority, imo, does not give anyone the right to act like this.
I also see bernie flagging other users telling them to stop talking about him or he will forever destroy their account because he's "their worst fucking nightmare".
REALLY? This is how he conducts himself?
"I'm going to stir the pot with the biggest spoon on the planet. Once I get the riot going, I'm gonna go back to to the shadows and LURK. Then I will get mad and retaliate to anyone who talks about me."
I agree, leaders should lead by example, not terrorize people and act like a butt hurt bitch and threaten to eviscerate them when they talk about him. I don't care if someone comes on steemit and calls me names. I will respond and debate the issue, but when I get to influence status, I'm not going to crush someone for not liking me, thinking I'm a megalomaniac narcissistic dickhead or writing comments to that affect. I'll simply comment and talk about.. figure out how we can fix it, and if need be cut them apart with my wit, not the amount of SP my account has. Hell I would likely upvote a post cursing me..
This is now recorded in the blockchain, I hope you will succeed wildly to become such a leader.
I would not label @berniesanders as a per say leader but he is a large stake-holder and he has a lot more to loose if Steemit becomes a pure crypto only platform versus what it can become to the masses. Try to see beyond the box of our suffering and circumstances, see the bigger picture. You are not wrong, but you also have not have enough experience and information to judge widely.
I have a friend that used to make a comment that tends to be rather apt towards @berniesanders ... "I love you but I hate you" ... he does a lot of good and dishes out nasty.
In the course of going after scammers (yes actual scammers) and those who are getting overly rewarded he's also been on the receiving end of some very nasty reactions.
I don't like seeing it from either side but this isn't Sunday School ... so I wince and move on
One of those "I can be your best friend or your greatest enemy if you piss me off" types eh. Well I see your point and no it's not Sunday school. haejins followers are very culty if they are only here for him. If I was his follower, it would be like hey thanks for showing me this great platform, but I'm not gonna leave just cause you say so. This place is great.
I know over 1% of the rewards pool is considered high, but i believe the ridiculous upvoting has ceased even though his posts are still generating quite a lot. I doubted that it was going to go on forever, and bernies big stink may have helped.
His actions are still not very cool. I guess I'll just have to wince and move on , heh.
Grow a thicker skin dear @bitfiend, it will help you cope better with responses to your post and also help you succeed more in life. Keep up the encouragement, I like seeing you respond like this my young friend.
Thank you @drsinmongwong for your kind words and you are right for any kind of debate you have to have thick skin and stay level headed.
Agreed to a point, and my thoughts can be found here: https://steemit.com/steem/@pawsdog/the-reward-pool-rape-saga-between-berniesanders-and-haejin
That said @ranchorelaxo did invest over $2,000,000 USD into the platform through purchases of steem, so I can't see how he is raping relative to the amount he invested. Iam fairly certain that a purchase of that size benefited all users by raising the price of steem. I see large confidence building purchases of an asset to be more beneficial than gathering the torches and pitch forks to attack other members of the community.
the same purchase on one of the exchanges would have helped to raise the price of steem.
The choice to transfer it onto the platform would have had no further effect.
If he's just an investor who has decided to support only one person with his SP, that is his right. When that sole support inflates the payout to that individual, it is the right of other whales to counter that support through downvotes.
Even though the size of the upvote is determined by his SP, the value of the upvote is coming from the reward pool which is formed from the collective mining (posting values) of the whole community.
Allowed to go on unchecked that would mean one whale could disperse a significant amount of the reward pool to one individual rather than it dispersed throughout the community as the system is meant to do.
When whales are upvoting posts, they generally go with a small percentage of their VP so they can spread it across a wider number of posts.
Interesting to note that we all have 10 full upvotes a day that we can make and have our VP recharge within 24 hours. @haejin's posts never exceeded that magic number. HMMM
My last comment basically covered this
To that end, the simplest answer to the @ranchorelaxo saga, is that he may have profited from the advice of @haejin and chose to show his appreciation through upvoting.
It also seems as if he did not act overly irresponsibly and has since curbed the behavior. Lets assume he made $500,000 and upvoted @haejin 10% of his profit. Not unreasonable...
We will have to see how it plays out...
Basically, sums it up. Most of these accounts are @haejin buying them for other people which has to have some sort of TOS violation I'm assuming. Either way, BernieSanders is going to obliterate him off this platform if it's the last thing he does.
yeah they really have no idea of bernies' history . well, they have been told but choose not to listen.
Hard to listen to what a great guy someone is when he is calling you a moron and downvoting you into oblivion.
I don't disagree with that .. it takes being around the platform and in the chat rooms to learn the other side without being told by people like me.
Of course he is not, as a 3rd party listening in, it is humorous, it's a parady of the politician. See beyond eyes, see the revolution.
Also remember @berniesanders rep is -18 for a reason, there are 50-100 whales that are capable of doing what he is doing and undoing it...these whales were the ones who brought his so low the same difficulty as getting rep 70. Also there are probably 300 large orca, and if only 10% of them unite they can do what he does or undo it. There is more there then meets the eyes. Keep learning young Seemians.